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There should be a "Why The Game Was Rushed" sub-heading.

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Ki mi tri (talkcontribs)

Any thoughts?

ZeusDeeGoose (talkcontribs)

Tons of pages have this so I don't see why not.

Z Grand GR (talkcontribs)

seems like a good idea

Ki mi tri (talkcontribs)

Steam on Fallout 76

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Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)


Get ready for a huge backlash on the Steam version of Fallout 76? And all of you guys are ready for the very atomic huge toxicity backlash apocalypse, TyrantRex, Seewater514, Grust, EnnardTrap1987, Kesner etc.?

Because Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (My favorite show), is also ready for this, and she's not happy. :(

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

I don't really say this is huge toxicity, while it is a toxicity, it's still deserves it because how they're made everything even worse.

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

I just need to buy some popcorn and soda, then I'll be ready for this train wreck. I bet it's gonna be magnificent.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

I think I can call it, FallBacklashOut 76: The Movie.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

I really love read sarcastic reviews.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

Lol, I'm really not surprised since Bethesda and this game officially surpassed Sega and Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic '06 and onwards with some expectations), Activision, Ubisoft and heck, even Electronic Arts.

HunterZolomon (talkcontribs)

They're right to review bomb it I'll wait discount for this

Grust (usurped) (talkcontribs)

Too busy playing my other games to worry. Plus Been watching Nux Taku and laughing my ass off, so letting Vicious 187 torture the administrators in my stead.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

BREAKING NEWS!

Fallout 76 on Steam got Mostly Negative! This is not a drill!

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

I said, this is not surprising since Bethesda screwed up everything.

They're deserve it because they're literally made the game even worse rather than fixing it.
Making a game with extremely dated graphics engine, is really a bad idea.

Paprika (talkcontribs)

What is it about sarcastic positive reviews and all of the negative reviews on games like Fallout 76 that always bring me so much joy?

Mr. Dready (talkcontribs)

I expect ‘’overwhelmingly negative’’ reviews on steam I can’t wait!

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

Now, it is "mixed" and they're fixed some of the issues, after almost 2 years the game's initial release, with tons of backlash which is surpassed Star Wars Battlefront 2 (2017).

And this is why people never gave "Release it now fix it later" a second chance.
Fallout 76 is literally a combination of Sonic '06, Fallout and "service" games.
Also, this game is just Fallout 4 with multiplayer only mode slapped in it.

Mr. Dready (talkcontribs)

So some bugs we’re fixed then?

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

I think so but people still reporting these issues to this day.

Xavior 0.10 (talkcontribs)

Had you guys all forgotten that DOOM: Eternal exists? And would people really review bomb the Wastelanders update despite it giving what both the game and it's players really needed: ACTUAL, living human NPCs, reputation system, companions, etc...isn't that what both the game and the players and fans REALLY needed like in the previous games?

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

Doom Eternal just published by Bethesda, it was made by Id Software.
And people review bombing this game on Steam is pretty normal since they're screwed up everything.

Xavior 0.10 (talkcontribs)

And i MEAN'T the wastelanders update, NOT the game.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

Still, it deserves it.

Xavior 0.10 (talkcontribs)

im not praising the game. it's the WASTELANDERS UPDATE. NOT. THE. GAME. The game deserves it (even though im not seeing much negative reviews to give it a "Mostly Negitive" tag

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

Calm the heck down, Xavior!

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

And Xavior, I saw Fallout 76 is coming on Steam a couple of days ago, and I knew it's going to be suck, and backlashes, and please, don't get mad. :(

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

I'm not saying you praising the game and please stop using full caps, this is unprofessional.

Xavior 0.10 (talkcontribs)

In other words, actual life in the Appalachian wasteland?

Xavior 0.10 (talkcontribs)

In other words, if you expected the "Overwhelming Negative" steam reviews, you ain't gonna find a lot.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

Xavior 0.10, You can talk?! D:

HawkeyeSolo (talkcontribs)

How is it?

A New Bug In Fallout 76...

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WENth100 (talkcontribs)

...and the skies are still blue.

This time, players are finding that their equipment are being stolen again, not by other players, no. This time by NPCs of all people. And not just weapons, but sometimes entire ammo reserves as well.

So judging from what we see now, it appears that Bethesda just copy-pasted NPC behaviour from single-player Fallout & Skyrim directly into FO76, where they will loot objects from fallen enemies or players. For once, the Creation Engine is not at fault. But since this is an online game, we cannot even kill the NPCs or trade with them to get our stuff back.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

I really say it, after they're made the game even worse, it took almost two years to fix the game.
Despite to this the game still has lots of bugs and glitches becasue they're using an ancient graphics engine from two decades ago.

In other words, Bethesda officially surpassed Electronic Arts for screwing up their games.

WENth100 (talkcontribs)

It still baffles me how the hell did Bethesda went from 10 to 100 in such a rapid session. Fallout 76, Wolfenstein Youngblood... it just doesn't end.

But still, I hate EA and Blizzard even more.

Are we can renaming the page title to Fallout 76 (Pre-Wastelanders), now?

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Chad The Gman (talkcontribs)

Since the game's newest mega-update, the Wastelanders update, (and soft reboot) come out couple weeks ago, along they indeed only improved few notable problems of the base game like they add the NPCs,-with some bugs-to make this was formerly Fallout-in name only multiplayer title, who is horrifically flawed, into a now real Fallout multiplayer title, who is a mediocrely flawed as a example. So can everyone possibly agree on updating the page and change the title as based after the Wastelanders mega-update released? Or not yet?

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

Many people still reporting the issues to this day.
I don't think we need to rename it, considering Bethesda screwed up everything before the Wastelanders' launch.

Paprika (talkcontribs)

Not so sure if we can yet. But while we're on this topic, does anyone know if we should the title of the Star Wars Battlefront II page to Star Wars Battlefront II (Pre-Rise of Skywalker)? The game is much better now than it was at launch due to the microtransactions being toned down (albeit it wasn't EA's decision) and many other changes.

My one thinking about this game:

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LA2002 (talkcontribs)

Maybe Fallout 76 was made to be a scam.

ItsaDrake2001 (talkcontribs)

I thought about this was a case, because if you think about it, the BGS maryland were about to work on starfield and TES6, which i theorize that BGS austin was formed up beginning of 2018 to work on Fallout 76, all while Todd Howard's back was turned. the fact that the team was established just for that game; a game with a massive scope with a team not experienced nor prepared for the scale of the game,while associated with a developer studio who only worked on singleplayer games. In other words, i think there has been a heavy amount of executive meddling that let fallout 76 be bad, an that Mr.Howard was revealed that there's staff at texas thats working on a multiplayer game for a few months, and it has to be done in november.

We just have that.

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S012891 (talkcontribs)

My brother just got that game.

Evil Tim (talkcontribs)

My condolences.

Unnamedgoon (talkcontribs)

We're losing too many people this year.

WENth100 (talkcontribs)

Hopefully it's the regular edition, if it's the collector's edition then he just got scammed out of more of his money.

CyanFire (talkcontribs)

As long as you got it on sale. If you bought it at full price (or, god forbid, the "Tricentennial" / "Power Armor" editions), then we must press F to pay respects to your brother's wallet.

Pinky Malinky (talkcontribs)

Your brother better have bought worse games than this otherwise I feel sorry.

BombtailsTheFox (talkcontribs)

Let's just hope that he didn't bought the Power Armor edition, or else he will be scammed.

Vauban (talkcontribs)

I didn't waste my money for this game, thank god.

Z Grand GR (talkcontribs)

what a waste of space

Vauban (talkcontribs)

And a huge waste of money!

Dekarserverbot (talkcontribs)

sorry to hear that, i suggest you to seize your brother's earnings from now and until the end of time

Monchete (talkcontribs)

My brother ALMOST got to play it because of the Deathclaws. Thank god he's addicted to FIFA and that he used his money on RDR2.

HunterZolomon (talkcontribs)

Mostly Positive guys

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

Most of them are sarcastic.

Xavior 0.10 (talkcontribs)

you sure about that? If they were sarcastic, they would have been poor written intentionally and had "10/10 would play again" writen at the end. All of them don't look poorly written and have proper grammer.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

They're sarcastic, despite their looks.

Xavior 0.10 (talkcontribs)

im.....not going to reply to that. Besides, how can you tell?

Xavior 0.10 (talkcontribs)

i have that game too, digitally, so what are all of you going to do? Come up to my house, beat me up and take my money for playing a ton of hours into it and delete my level 77 character i named Nate?

The latest update about Fallout 1st on Steam

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Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

I saw that Fallout 1st on Steam got mostly positive reviews.

Also, I was preparing for the worse 2 days ago, because I thought it going to be even more hated than the original release. -_-

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

Those positive reviewers have to be shills or something. No one in their right minds should be praising that garbage.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

You should check the reviews first before made a suggestion.

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

I checked them, a lot of them were either sarcastic, didn't provide any good reasons, or recommended it simply because it works.

This page needs cleanup

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TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

The page is starting to get very bloated with every controversy being shoved into it. Just like how Mighty No.9 had to be given a separate page for the mess that was it's development Fallout 76 needs a separate page.

GDPRAccount2 (talkcontribs)

I agree. I also think the subpoint about the jokes on those gum wrappers can go, too. It feels more like a nitpick than actual criticism.

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

I did some cleaning hours ago, organizing pointers about the story and multiplayer as they were scattered all over the place and trimmed them down a bit. But since that's not enough, I'm planning on doing some further cleaning in the next few days.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

I tried looking at how to clean it but the page is too long. There are also several pointers about things that Bethesda did about the game rather than qualities of the game. Pointer 34 is a big example, that point is talkin about things that aren't part of the game itself but rather Bethesda blunders. That's the main reason I feel a separate page is needed for that matter.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Making a separate article is a very interesting idea.

ThunderKat (talkcontribs)

How does "Post-Launch Handling of Fallout 76" sound?

Grust (usurped) (talkcontribs)

How's this for the header:

This is not beating a dead horse. This is a horse refusing to die.

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

pretty good, I think it could work for EA too.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

This quote also fits perfectly to Sonic the Hedgehog.

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

Not just Sonic, IT should be SEGA's catchphrase.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

It surely is better than the average caption, I think it can work.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

That's good, covers the screw ups that have occured so far and future proofs the article for any inevitable future screw up.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Is the page created?

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

Not yet.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

In WIS #34, some of the pointers about the game itself, not Bethesda.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

That pointer talks about PR blunders, that's not part of the game itself. IT goes on an on about dumb things Bethesda did not problems with the content of the game.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

In fact, that subscription service thing is about the game itself and Bethesda as well.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

We really need a seperate page about Fallout 76's launch and controversy.

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

I could move all of the PR disasters to Bethesda's page until a page about the controversies is made.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

But please keep the pointer about the subscription service.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

The pointer about the subscription should talk about why it's a ripoff, but the part about how Bethesda handled it or how the community reacted are a separate thing.

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

I would say more of a refreshment, not a clean up. there is a whole lot of comments. maybe the comments should be placed in a bin or something since they take up half the entire page. well at least this page.

also I would agree about making that article. Bethesda really let people down. however, Bethesda did fix fallout 76 recently a couple of months ago so technically, this page could be changed.

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

As far as I can tell the game is still garbage, I haven't seen a single thing about the game improving much.

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

we'll you are not wrong. I am just saying that from game informer's perspective, it is less bad. It still sucks however and you are correct.

ThunderKat (talkcontribs)

Page is up, check it out here.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

Now the Fallout 76 page needs to be cleaned up, remove all the PR disasters that were moved to the new page.

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

nicely done. pretty good for a new post if i say so.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

Release it now fix it later games don't deserve a second chance so even if by some miracle Bethesda were to fix Fallout 76 and it became a playable non garbage scam, it'd still always keep the article because giving bad games a second chance becasue they "fixed" it years later sends a really bad message that releasing broken games is fine.

And if anything the game is arguably in an even worse place now, the only thing they seem to consistently fix is the microtransaction store unsurprisingly.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

Dude, we're already know that.

Fallout 76 takes this excuse to another level, as it was released in unfinished state with full of bugs and glitches, tons of assets were recycled from Fallout 4 and Skyrim.
This game also made in ancient Gamebyro engine and its never meant for multiplayer games due to it's mod friendly nature.

Also, I forgot to mention, unlike other service games, Bethesda making the game even worse rather than fixing it.

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

well, thanks for your honest answer. I can respect those who are willing to state the facts correctly. and TyrantRex, I can't say you are wrong because that fix was about 5 months ago. But even with the games 'fix', the game still sucks as much as a Drake and the 99 Dragons did, if not more. however, I do like Fallout 3 and New Vegas so if you like this game, I can respect that. I mean this page is not as nearly as messy as the action 52 page because that page did not need the Cutting Room Floors, pasted article in there because it does not give any importance to its good or terrible qualities so to be fair, at least this page has important information all around. not that the article was bad, just that the Action 52 article has TMI or too much info. if you have something you want to say related, say it soon because my schools schedule is not very positive when it comes to using computers. I will answer ASAP. Thank you.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

Action 52 is another page in serious need of cleaning up.

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

agreed, i believe that the page is too large. maybe it should be divided.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

I removed some of the unnecessary stuff from Action 52 page.
But some of the pointers spreaded out all over the place.

Can you help me to fix the Action 52 page?

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

sure! I am going to my moms house and will be on my tablet to assist you:)

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

I am afraid that if we will remove every generic or flawed pointer from that page it won't remain enough for the article to be able to stay on the wiki. This is probably because the article is based on video reviews, those surely aren't very informative and of course practically anyone never actually played the game fully. It is one of those classic bad games everyone knows they are bad because of relata refero without personally experiencing them.

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

we'll work on that when we can have enough time, Promise.

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

Maybe, but can you give an example

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

The problem with the Action 52 page is that it was made when every other article was basically quoting Youtube reviews.

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

Already and even back then some of the pages based on Youtube review videos by the way.

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

another point taken.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Just noticed the Action 52 page has been improved, there is no reason to delete it now.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)
ThunderKat (talkcontribs)
TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

Those disasters are still listed on the Fallout 76, it's redundant to have them in both pages and the idea was to make the Fallout 76 page less bloated so the page needs to be cleaned up.

There's also some sarcastic rant writing like "Because, you know, treating your userbase like they are naughty children isn't detrimental to an online community.", that needs to go to.

ThunderKat (talkcontribs)

So the original page still needs trimming I take it?

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

I removed all the stuff that the post-launch handling page covered, but there are still some pointers that need to be re-worded as some of them are verbose and nonsensical sounding.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

I've been very busy these days so can't help there.

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

That is correct and well stated.

Lg 754 luca (talkcontribs)

sorry I responded so late. had a power cut. sure, just give me some time.

Dekarserverbot (talkcontribs)

let's face it, Fallout 76 would need it's own wiki, and i bet my soul that it could get bigger than CWCwiki at this rate

Poorly developed made

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JamesTaylor (talkcontribs)

Fallout 76 makes the disastrous game very so far. But it is not good game, It’s just a bad

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

It was a lazy cash grab on the service game bandwagon and an attempt to milk Fallout with microtransactions. That being said, the game is a very accurate and faithful representation of service games: A barely functional piece of garbage with no content that only exists to milk money from players.

JamesTaylor (talkcontribs)

But the game is downsizing and disliked their Fallout 76 was poorly made

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

Todd Howard casually said he knew the game was trash but still released it without caring.

JamesTaylor (talkcontribs)

They didn’t make perfect game and made bad game so far.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

My point is they knew the game was bad and they released it anyway.

JamesTaylor (talkcontribs)

I agree.

ThunderKat (talkcontribs)

B-b-b-but... it's 4 time bigger and 16 times more detailed than Fallout 4!

In all seriousness though, don't forget it was falsely marketed as well.

JamesTaylor (talkcontribs)

Yeah, Me either too!

SpazJR61 (talkcontribs)

In short of: Fallout 76 is the Sonic '06 of the Fallout franchise.

Dekarserverbot (talkcontribs)

Actually, Sonic '06 was a Playstation simulator. Fallout 76 ended up being secondlife but with an upfront price and without mod support.

One trend that needs to go away

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ThunderKat (talkcontribs)

This game isn't the first to do this, but I would love to see digital-only games with physical cases go away, because not only does it give the illusion of actually owned a copy of the game, but a digital code is one-time use, so you can't exactly trade it in if the game ends up being complete shit. It's one reason I stayed away from Fallout 76, aside from the bad press and PR nightmare it has had. I'd rather have a physical game in a case as opposed to just a one-time use code.

Grust (usurped) (talkcontribs)

I prefer physical over digital myself because with physical I truly own the game. It's also why I consider the physical games I own part of my collection and not the digital games I bought.

ThunderKat (talkcontribs)

Do you feel like that ownership is just an illusion when you only have a code inside a box, but no disc? 'Cause that's what I feel, and I kind of what see that trend die because of it.

Grust (usurped) (talkcontribs)

I never once bought one of those cases, now will I ever.

ThunderKat (talkcontribs)

Few games do it, but I thought it was still worth mentioning at least.

Grust (usurped) (talkcontribs)

I first heard about this with Fallout 76, I didn't know other games did that. That's bullshit.

CyanFire (talkcontribs)

It's stuff like this that makes me really sad for the future. Sure, digital games are convenient, and come with the added benefit of always being there ready to play (so long as they're installed on your device's hard drive), but it also comes at the cost of game preservation.

Want to play a game on your new console that you bought digitally on the old console? Nope. They're all tied to your one account on your one console. No game sharing.

Accidentally uninstalled it, but still want to play it once the storefront servers shut down? Nope. Can't reinstall it, because there's nothing you can reinstall it with.

Had an issue that permanently locked you out of your account or got you banned for reasons in or out of your control? Kiss your game library goodbye.

That sucks. And now, with the advent of game streaming services like Google Stadia or Project xCloud, these problems will only multiply as time goes on.

ThunderKat (talkcontribs)

I'm with you on that last point; even now, I am not ready for an all-digital future!

Grust (usurped) (talkcontribs)

That' why retro gaming is becoming very popular. Plus with how overly sensitive SJWs can get they're likely to be the ones that'll ruin your library. Google itself is very pro-SJW and is a very big reason I don't want their upcoming console, because with one mistake, not only can you kiss your games good-bye, you've wasted who knows how much money just becasue you disagreed with them.

I'm sticking with physical forever since with that, I truly own the game. With physical and retro, SJWs have no power over what I play. Hell it's even one of the reasons we'll beat them.

Dekarserverbot (talkcontribs)

that's why my Nintendo Wii got live again, the last digital game I played was Fallout 4 and to tell the truth the combat sucks big dinosaur balls and you are LITERALLY forced to it unlike previous fallout entries in which you could beat the game in several ways. The ending did not change no matter who i played it and literally i abused of TGM to skip death in order to see if Nate did anything different if he sided with the brotherhood or with the minutemen (Spoiler: it didn't, i still got the trailer ending) With Nora i went to the railroad, but this line gets as stupid as Save Arcadia Bay or Dragon Age 2, you have to follow institute questline until the point that a revolution is no longer needed because you are now in charge, you could just issue the order as soon as possible, instead you have to free gorillas so they can crush a division that was as selfish as every single scientist in the fallout universe