The page is starting to get very bloated with every controversy being shoved into it. Just like how Mighty No.9 had to be given a separate page for the mess that was it's development Fallout 76 needs a separate page.
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Dude, we're already know that.
I removed some of the unnecessary stuff from Action 52 page.
This page needs cleanup
I agree. I also think the subpoint about the jokes on those gum wrappers can go, too. It feels more like a nitpick than actual criticism.
I did some cleaning hours ago, organizing pointers about the story and multiplayer as they were scattered all over the place and trimmed them down a bit. But since that's not enough, I'm planning on doing some further cleaning in the next few days.
I tried looking at how to clean it but the page is too long. There are also several pointers about things that Bethesda did about the game rather than qualities of the game. Pointer 34 is a big example, that point is talkin about things that aren't part of the game itself but rather Bethesda blunders. That's the main reason I feel a separate page is needed for that matter.
Making a separate article is a very interesting idea.
How does "Post-Launch Handling of Fallout 76" sound?
How's this for the header:
This is not beating a dead horse. This is a horse refusing to die.
pretty good, I think it could work for EA too.
This quote also fits perfectly to Sonic the Hedgehog.
Not just Sonic, IT should be SEGA's catchphrase.
It surely is better than the average caption, I think it can work.
That's good, covers the screw ups that have occured so far and future proofs the article for any inevitable future screw up.
Is the page created?
In WIS #34, some of the pointers about the game itself, not Bethesda.
That pointer talks about PR blunders, that's not part of the game itself. IT goes on an on about dumb things Bethesda did not problems with the content of the game.
In fact, that subscription service thing is about the game itself and Bethesda as well.
We really need a seperate page about Fallout 76's launch and controversy.
I could move all of the PR disasters to Bethesda's page until a page about the controversies is made.
But please keep the pointer about the subscription service.
The pointer about the subscription should talk about why it's a ripoff, but the part about how Bethesda handled it or how the community reacted are a separate thing.
I would say more of a refreshment, not a clean up. there is a whole lot of comments. maybe the comments should be placed in a bin or something since they take up half the entire page. well at least this page.
also I would agree about making that article. Bethesda really let people down. however, Bethesda did fix fallout 76 recently a couple of months ago so technically, this page could be changed.
As far as I can tell the game is still garbage, I haven't seen a single thing about the game improving much.
we'll you are not wrong. I am just saying that from game informer's perspective, it is less bad. It still sucks however and you are correct.
Page is up, check it out here.
Now the Fallout 76 page needs to be cleaned up, remove all the PR disasters that were moved to the new page.
nicely done. pretty good for a new post if i say so.
Release it now fix it later games don't deserve a second chance so even if by some miracle Bethesda were to fix Fallout 76 and it became a playable non garbage scam, it'd still always keep the article because giving bad games a second chance becasue they "fixed" it years later sends a really bad message that releasing broken games is fine.
And if anything the game is arguably in an even worse place now, the only thing they seem to consistently fix is the microtransaction store unsurprisingly.
Dude, we're already know that.
Fallout 76 takes this excuse to another level, as it was released in unfinished state with full of bugs and glitches, tons of assets were recycled from Fallout 4 and Skyrim.
This game also made in ancient Gamebyro engine and its never meant for multiplayer games due to it's mod friendly nature.
Also, I forgot to mention, unlike other service games, Bethesda making the game even worse rather than fixing it.
well, thanks for your honest answer. I can respect those who are willing to state the facts correctly. and TyrantRex, I can't say you are wrong because that fix was about 5 months ago. But even with the games 'fix', the game still sucks as much as a Drake and the 99 Dragons did, if not more. however, I do like Fallout 3 and New Vegas so if you like this game, I can respect that. I mean this page is not as nearly as messy as the action 52 page because that page did not need the Cutting Room Floors, pasted article in there because it does not give any importance to its good or terrible qualities so to be fair, at least this page has important information all around. not that the article was bad, just that the Action 52 article has TMI or too much info. if you have something you want to say related, say it soon because my schools schedule is not very positive when it comes to using computers. I will answer ASAP. Thank you.
Action 52 is another page in serious need of cleaning up.
agreed, i believe that the page is too large. maybe it should be divided.
I removed some of the unnecessary stuff from Action 52 page.
But some of the pointers spreaded out all over the place.
Can you help me to fix the Action 52 page?
sure! I am going to my moms house and will be on my tablet to assist you:)
I am afraid that if we will remove every generic or flawed pointer from that page it won't remain enough for the article to be able to stay on the wiki. This is probably because the article is based on video reviews, those surely aren't very informative and of course practically anyone never actually played the game fully. It is one of those classic bad games everyone knows they are bad because of relata refero without personally experiencing them.
we'll work on that when we can have enough time, Promise.
Maybe, but can you give an example
The problem with the Action 52 page is that it was made when every other article was basically quoting Youtube reviews.
Already and even back then some of the pages based on Youtube review videos by the way.
another point taken.
Just noticed the Action 52 page has been improved, there is no reason to delete it now.
Well, If you want it to split up, Then, I made my sandbox you could edited it.
Post-Launch Handling of Fallout 76; covers all of the ongoing disasters surrounding the game, and Bethesda themselves.
Those disasters are still listed on the Fallout 76, it's redundant to have them in both pages and the idea was to make the Fallout 76 page less bloated so the page needs to be cleaned up.
There's also some sarcastic rant writing like "Because, you know, treating your userbase like they are naughty children isn't detrimental to an online community.", that needs to go to.
So the original page still needs trimming I take it?
I removed all the stuff that the post-launch handling page covered, but there are still some pointers that need to be re-worded as some of them are verbose and nonsensical sounding.
I've been very busy these days so can't help there.
That is correct and well stated.
sorry I responded so late. had a power cut. sure, just give me some time.
let's face it, Fallout 76 would need it's own wiki, and i bet my soul that it could get bigger than CWCwiki at this rate
Poorly developed made
Fallout 76 makes the disastrous game very so far. But it is not good game, It’s just a bad
It was a lazy cash grab on the service game bandwagon and an attempt to milk Fallout with microtransactions. That being said, the game is a very accurate and faithful representation of service games: A barely functional piece of garbage with no content that only exists to milk money from players.
But the game is downsizing and disliked their Fallout 76 was poorly made
Todd Howard casually said he knew the game was trash but still released it without caring.
They didn’t make perfect game and made bad game so far.
My point is they knew the game was bad and they released it anyway.
B-b-b-but... it's 4 time bigger and 16 times more detailed than Fallout 4!
In all seriousness though, don't forget it was falsely marketed as well.
Yeah, Me either too!
In short of: Fallout 76 is the Sonic '06 of the Fallout franchise.
Actually, Sonic '06 was a Playstation simulator. Fallout 76 ended up being secondlife but with an upfront price and without mod support.
One trend that needs to go away
This game isn't the first to do this, but I would love to see digital-only games with physical cases go away, because not only does it give the illusion of actually owned a copy of the game, but a digital code is one-time use, so you can't exactly trade it in if the game ends up being complete shit. It's one reason I stayed away from Fallout 76, aside from the bad press and PR nightmare it has had. I'd rather have a physical game in a case as opposed to just a one-time use code.
I prefer physical over digital myself because with physical I truly own the game. It's also why I consider the physical games I own part of my collection and not the digital games I bought.
Do you feel like that ownership is just an illusion when you only have a code inside a box, but no disc? 'Cause that's what I feel, and I kind of what see that trend die because of it.
I never once bought one of those cases, now will I ever.
Few games do it, but I thought it was still worth mentioning at least.
I first heard about this with Fallout 76, I didn't know other games did that. That's bullshit.
It's stuff like this that makes me really sad for the future. Sure, digital games are convenient, and come with the added benefit of always being there ready to play (so long as they're installed on your device's hard drive), but it also comes at the cost of game preservation.
Want to play a game on your new console that you bought digitally on the old console? Nope. They're all tied to your one account on your one console. No game sharing.
Accidentally uninstalled it, but still want to play it once the storefront servers shut down? Nope. Can't reinstall it, because there's nothing you can reinstall it with.
Had an issue that permanently locked you out of your account or got you banned for reasons in or out of your control? Kiss your game library goodbye.
That sucks. And now, with the advent of game streaming services like Google Stadia or Project xCloud, these problems will only multiply as time goes on.
I'm with you on that last point; even now, I am not ready for an all-digital future!
That' why retro gaming is becoming very popular. Plus with how overly sensitive SJWs can get they're likely to be the ones that'll ruin your library. Google itself is very pro-SJW and is a very big reason I don't want their upcoming console, because with one mistake, not only can you kiss your games good-bye, you've wasted who knows how much money just becasue you disagreed with them.
I'm sticking with physical forever since with that, I truly own the game. With physical and retro, SJWs have no power over what I play. Hell it's even one of the reasons we'll beat them.
that's why my Nintendo Wii got live again, the last digital game I played was Fallout 4 and to tell the truth the combat sucks big dinosaur balls and you are LITERALLY forced to it unlike previous fallout entries in which you could beat the game in several ways. The ending did not change no matter who i played it and literally i abused of TGM to skip death in order to see if Nate did anything different if he sided with the brotherhood or with the minutemen (Spoiler: it didn't, i still got the trailer ending) With Nora i went to the railroad, but this line gets as stupid as Save Arcadia Bay or Dragon Age 2, you have to follow institute questline until the point that a revolution is no longer needed because you are now in charge, you could just issue the order as soon as possible, instead you have to free gorillas so they can crush a division that was as selfish as every single scientist in the fallout universe
https://youtu.be/a4NbPbkNUbc New missions with NPCs !! And.... Battle Royale (WTF ?!)
Bethesda, are you kidding ?
Fortnite ripoff? Check.
Great, all of the stuff Bethesda is already known for is the new selling point of Fallout 76. Whoop de do.
I also played a match of that battle royale mode during the free week trial of Fallout 76, and I'm just going to spoil it right now... it's not good.
The irony of the $5 atoms they gave as compensation for a $200 collector's edition
The "Postman" outfit in-game is worth 700 atoms and comes with a decorative canvas bag you can have your character wear, and yet the compensation they provided for an edition that was supposed to have a REAL canvas bag isn't enough atoms to let you get a digital canvas bag either. Let that sink in for a moment.
I bet that it's not a coincidence. Also, from one of the video i posted, the PLAYERINSIDE's one, there's people defending the game, by saying that it's early access, that they don't understand nothing, that before criticizing something they must make a game, etc... (Be aware that they're italian comments, since two of the videos that i posted in the page, are from two italian youtubers called respectively Playerinside and Quei due sul Server)
Early access is in my opinion one of the worst things to ever happen in modern gaming, now people defend obviously unfinished games.
For me, Early Access works if it's done well.
It is almost never done well. Almost every time it's used as a cheap excuse to sell unfinished games.
Bethesda has finally announced they're going to give REAL canvas bags to people who had bought the collector's edition! Frankly, I'm glad they're doing this, but it sucks that we would have to force them into a corner criticism-wise in order to get them to do what they promised to do in the first place. Anyways, I've updated the article to add this new footnote.
Yeah I mean it's well known that canvas is expensive...?
Yeah, kind of weird that they would announce it came with a canvas bag and then not think to check supplies or the price of canvas BEFORE announcing the collector's edition.
Bethesda did not think ANYTHING through when it came to Fallout 76. Also they were being investigated for false advertisement so most likely them caving on the canvas bags was to avoid a lawsuit.
Fallout 76 is basically the Destiny 2 of 2018.
But at least Destiny 2 is now somewhat tolerable because of how much they've tried to fix it (there's an actual story in Destiny 2 and the game was built from the ground up to be different than the original), and how cheap you can get the game (I've gotten the game twice, both times for free with expansions on PC and PS4, yet I still don't play it).
Meanwhile, Fallout 76 is still between $40 - $60, has almost no story aside from EVERYTHING-style voice samples and text, still looks worse than Fallout 4 from 2015, and has already got 6 DLCs planned (according to the in-game files someone found) rather than focusing on fixing fundamental gameplay issues. I'm not really a Destiny guy, but I'd take that any day over Fallout 76.
"You threw down $200 for a collector's edition with a compromised item? We're sorry to hear that you were disappointed, here's $5 worth of compensation for your troubles......toodles!" -- Bethesda's mindset
By the way, does anyone else think the Power Armour Edition should have its own page?
If you can find enough material to cover that we haven't already covered in the Fallout 76 page or in False Advertising in Gaming, go right ahead.
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We just have that.
My brother just got that game.
We're losing too many people this year.
Hopefully it's the regular edition, if it's the collector's edition then he just got scammed out of more of his money.
As long as you got it on sale. If you bought it at full price (or, god forbid, the "Tricentennial" / "Power Armor" editions), then we must press F to pay respects to your brother's wallet.
Your brother better have bought worse games than this otherwise I feel sorry.
Let's just hope that he didn't bought the Power Armor edition, or else he will be scammed.
I didn't waste my money for this game, thank god.
what a waste of space
And a huge waste of money!
sorry to hear that, i suggest you to seize your brother's earnings from now and until the end of time
My brother ALMOST got to play it because of the Deathclaws. Thank god he's addicted to FIFA and that he used his money on RDR2.
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